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		<title>By: limewire</title>
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		<dc:creator>limewire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: A bittersweet &#8220;I told you so.&#8221; &#124; Uneasy Rhetoric</title>
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		<dc:creator>A bittersweet &#8220;I told you so.&#8221; &#124; Uneasy Rhetoric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 05:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] can&#8217;t help but feel just a tad smug. Two years ago I wrote a post here that questioned whether Sacramento&#8217;s housing market could support high-rise luxury condo [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] can&#8217;t help but feel just a tad smug. Two years ago I wrote a post here that questioned whether Sacramento&#8217;s housing market could support high-rise luxury condo [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Uneasy Rhetoric  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; Either Yer Fer It, Or Agin&#8217; It</title>
		<link>http://www.uneasyrhetoric.net/2005/04/29/manhattan-the-pearl-and-penis-envy/comment-page-1/#comment-6164</link>
		<dc:creator>Uneasy Rhetoric  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; Either Yer Fer It, Or Agin&#8217; It</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 May 2005 15:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] lowed to be half-assed about anything. 	This has really hit home on my recent post, &#8220;Manhattan, the Pearl, and Penis Envy,&#8221;  not only via the comme [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] lowed to be half-assed about anything. 	This has really hit home on my recent post, &#8220;Manhattan, the Pearl, and Penis Envy,&#8221;  not only via the comme [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Natalie</title>
		<link>http://www.uneasyrhetoric.net/2005/04/29/manhattan-the-pearl-and-penis-envy/comment-page-1/#comment-6147</link>
		<dc:creator>Natalie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2005 19:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just wanted to say a few quick things, Kst and downtown are not Portlands pearl district, sorry. At least the archetecture there attempts to blend in to the exsisting neighborhood. Yes, it is expensive to live there and highly gentrified but the shock of that will be nothing compared to the bright shiny hideous towers they have planned. 

And as far as downtowns color and hipness, soon the people who bring art and music to downtown as well as sell you your tickets at the crest and bus your table at zocolo will be priced completely out of downtown. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wanted to say a few quick things, Kst and downtown are not Portlands pearl district, sorry. At least the archetecture there attempts to blend in to the exsisting neighborhood. Yes, it is expensive to live there and highly gentrified but the shock of that will be nothing compared to the bright shiny hideous towers they have planned. </p>
<p>And as far as downtowns color and hipness, soon the people who bring art and music to downtown as well as sell you your tickets at the crest and bus your table at zocolo will be priced completely out of downtown.</p>
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		<title>By: Molly</title>
		<link>http://www.uneasyrhetoric.net/2005/04/29/manhattan-the-pearl-and-penis-envy/comment-page-1/#comment-6139</link>
		<dc:creator>Molly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2005 03:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is it that good in-fill, space-saving, UGB (ha!) protecting living is always &quot;luxury living&quot;? I&#039;d live downtown if I could afford it. Walk to work across the river, shop at the proposed Nugget Market on L, pay too much for a movie at Century. I&#039;d even give up my dream of a garden for a balcony and few pots. 

But I can&#039;t afford it, not without going into debt. And I couldn&#039;t afford it when I lived in Portland. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is it that good in-fill, space-saving, UGB (ha!) protecting living is always &#8220;luxury living&#8221;? I&#8217;d live downtown if I could afford it. Walk to work across the river, shop at the proposed Nugget Market on L, pay too much for a movie at Century. I&#8217;d even give up my dream of a garden for a balcony and few pots. </p>
<p>But I can&#8217;t afford it, not without going into debt. And I couldn&#8217;t afford it when I lived in Portland.</p>
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		<title>By: Uneasy Rhetoric</title>
		<link>http://www.uneasyrhetoric.net/2005/04/29/manhattan-the-pearl-and-penis-envy/comment-page-1/#comment-6129</link>
		<dc:creator>Uneasy Rhetoric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2005 16:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, thanks for your comments.  I&#039;m sorry they got moderated - my anti-comment-spam software is letting me down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, thanks for your comments.  I&#8217;m sorry they got moderated &#8211; my anti-comment-spam software is letting me down.</p>
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		<title>By: Uneasy Rhetoric</title>
		<link>http://www.uneasyrhetoric.net/2005/04/29/manhattan-the-pearl-and-penis-envy/comment-page-1/#comment-6128</link>
		<dc:creator>Uneasy Rhetoric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2005 16:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;We want to it grow into a community where more folks feel like they’re coming home when they arrive here. &lt;/i&gt;  Amen.  So do I, and I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve said anything to contradict that.

I&#039;m not opposed to the towers in general, and, &lt;b&gt;as my last paragraph states, would consider living in one if I could afford it.&lt;/b&gt;  I firmly believe this city should grow up instead of out.  However, I&#039;m worried that the market can&#039;t sustain that much luxury condo living, and I continue to be concerned about the development of luxury living while ignoring the need for housing for people of more modest means.  I sincerely hope the developers and the city prove me wrong.  

I&#039;m also concerned that the condo population will still be largely transient, either up and comers who haven&#039;t started families yet, or seniors who won&#039;t be around forever.  Of course, this won&#039;t be entirely true, and hopefully enough people will take up more or less permanent residence and create the community we both want.

Finally, I&#039;ve been loving the personal attacks on my civic pride.  You said: &lt;i&gt;I guess you haven’t visited downtown in a while.&lt;/i&gt;  Sigh.  This is a problem with Sacramento.  Everyone assumes everyone else is from the &#039;burbs (because it is still largely true).  I rent in East Sac and I work downtown.  I walk to work.  That&#039;s right, I &lt;i&gt;walk.&lt;/i&gt;  I spend a lot of time downtown, even on weekends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>We want to it grow into a community where more folks feel like they’re coming home when they arrive here. </i>  Amen.  So do I, and I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve said anything to contradict that.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not opposed to the towers in general, and, <b>as my last paragraph states, would consider living in one if I could afford it.</b>  I firmly believe this city should grow up instead of out.  However, I&#8217;m worried that the market can&#8217;t sustain that much luxury condo living, and I continue to be concerned about the development of luxury living while ignoring the need for housing for people of more modest means.  I sincerely hope the developers and the city prove me wrong.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m also concerned that the condo population will still be largely transient, either up and comers who haven&#8217;t started families yet, or seniors who won&#8217;t be around forever.  Of course, this won&#8217;t be entirely true, and hopefully enough people will take up more or less permanent residence and create the community we both want.</p>
<p>Finally, I&#8217;ve been loving the personal attacks on my civic pride.  You said: <i>I guess you haven’t visited downtown in a while.</i>  Sigh.  This is a problem with Sacramento.  Everyone assumes everyone else is from the &#8216;burbs (because it is still largely true).  I rent in East Sac and I work downtown.  I walk to work.  That&#8217;s right, I <i>walk.</i>  I spend a lot of time downtown, even on weekends.</p>
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		<title>By: Melanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2005 16:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My partner and I would love to live downtown.  We&#039;re boomers who have no kids and are tired of maintaining a home.  We can lock a condo and leave it for weeks or months at a time. We&#039;re specifically applying for the Towers because it&#039;s walking distance from almost everything we want.  Among other things:  

·It&#039;s adjacent to the river where the view will never be obstructed, 
·Across from the mall where we can get anything of a textile nature we need,
·Two blocks down from the Crocker museum and Crocker Park, 
·Across from the baseball park,
·Five blocks from the Crest with it&#039;s funky movies and music,
·Six blocks to Capitol Park, and
·Seven blocks to the Community Center; 

It will be a community in itself, but it will also contribute to the feeling of sharing a downtown community.  As for your arguments that we&#039;re a &quot;wanna be hip &quot; cow town, I guess you haven&#039;t visited downtown in a while.  Besides all of the above &quot;hip&quot; characteristics, we have a high density of many really incredible restaurants now, good music venues, and a waterfront that (I think) is the best thing about the city.  

The people I&#039;ve spoken with who are willing to pay a premium price for a condo in Sacramento feel something of a mission to contribute to the downtown community (and economy).  We want to it grow into a community where more folks feel like they&#039;re coming home when they arrive here.  We already feel that way but, until now, we haven’t seen anything we wanted to buy in to.  These condos are an exciting development for Sacramento and we’re looking forward to moving in.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My partner and I would love to live downtown.  We&#8217;re boomers who have no kids and are tired of maintaining a home.  We can lock a condo and leave it for weeks or months at a time. We&#8217;re specifically applying for the Towers because it&#8217;s walking distance from almost everything we want.  Among other things:  </p>
<p>·It&#8217;s adjacent to the river where the view will never be obstructed,<br />
·Across from the mall where we can get anything of a textile nature we need,<br />
·Two blocks down from the Crocker museum and Crocker Park,<br />
·Across from the baseball park,<br />
·Five blocks from the Crest with it&#8217;s funky movies and music,<br />
·Six blocks to Capitol Park, and<br />
·Seven blocks to the Community Center; </p>
<p>It will be a community in itself, but it will also contribute to the feeling of sharing a downtown community.  As for your arguments that we&#8217;re a &#8220;wanna be hip &#8221; cow town, I guess you haven&#8217;t visited downtown in a while.  Besides all of the above &#8220;hip&#8221; characteristics, we have a high density of many really incredible restaurants now, good music venues, and a waterfront that (I think) is the best thing about the city.  </p>
<p>The people I&#8217;ve spoken with who are willing to pay a premium price for a condo in Sacramento feel something of a mission to contribute to the downtown community (and economy).  We want to it grow into a community where more folks feel like they&#8217;re coming home when they arrive here.  We already feel that way but, until now, we haven’t seen anything we wanted to buy in to.  These condos are an exciting development for Sacramento and we’re looking forward to moving in.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Jimenez</title>
		<link>http://www.uneasyrhetoric.net/2005/04/29/manhattan-the-pearl-and-penis-envy/comment-page-1/#comment-6126</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Jimenez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2005 15:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The real crux of the downtown Sacramento high-rise condominium issue is the need to continue providing a diversity of housing types from which people can choose.  Downtown has its share of single-occupant residential hotels (located in the heart of downtown on and near K and L Streets which is a significant detriment to redevelopment).  There are single-family residences and plenty of apartments.  However, there is a distinct lack of high-density, for purchase, units.  The proposed high-rise condominiums will provide a housing type that currently does not exist downtown.  We all know about the benefits of more residents living downtown (better air quality, a critical mass of residents with discretionary income that will draw support amenities like restaurants, entertainment venues, and cultural facilities).  Sacramento will never become a &quot;San Francisco&quot; or &quot;Manhattan&quot;.  We are what we are - a relatively affordable medium-sized community that is alluring to people who want to living in a city where people still smile and say &quot;hi&quot; as they pass each other on the street.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real crux of the downtown Sacramento high-rise condominium issue is the need to continue providing a diversity of housing types from which people can choose.  Downtown has its share of single-occupant residential hotels (located in the heart of downtown on and near K and L Streets which is a significant detriment to redevelopment).  There are single-family residences and plenty of apartments.  However, there is a distinct lack of high-density, for purchase, units.  The proposed high-rise condominiums will provide a housing type that currently does not exist downtown.  We all know about the benefits of more residents living downtown (better air quality, a critical mass of residents with discretionary income that will draw support amenities like restaurants, entertainment venues, and cultural facilities).  Sacramento will never become a &#8220;San Francisco&#8221; or &#8220;Manhattan&#8221;.  We are what we are &#8211; a relatively affordable medium-sized community that is alluring to people who want to living in a city where people still smile and say &#8220;hi&#8221; as they pass each other on the street.</p>
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		<title>By: Uneasy Rhetoric</title>
		<link>http://www.uneasyrhetoric.net/2005/04/29/manhattan-the-pearl-and-penis-envy/comment-page-1/#comment-5929</link>
		<dc:creator>Uneasy Rhetoric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2005 22:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chad, I appreciate your comments, but I don&#039;t think you&#039;ve gotten the gist of my argument.  First, your &quot;one hand/other hand&quot; statement is entirely consistent.  Both hands know what they are doing.

Second, my last paragraph indicates that I am not straight-out opposed to these towers, only ambivalent.  I&#039;m concerned because of the &quot;exclusive&quot; nature of tower developments, but, as you can see, I am &quot;intrigued&quot; and would even consider buying in to such a development.  I am also simply wondering aloud if the market can stand such developments or, as Carl suggests, if Sacramento would be better served by high-density developments on a somewhat smaller scale.

Finally, I grew up in Sacramento (in Midtown, not the &#039;burbs) and, like many, couldn&#039;t wait to leave.  I lived in Portland, Oregon for fifteen years but always felt homesick.  &lt;em&gt;I made a conscious decision to return,&lt;/em&gt; because I love it here (earning no end of derision from many of my childhood friends).  Don&#039;t accuse me of not having civic pride just because I don&#039;t want Sacramento to be like Manhattan (or San Francisco, for that matter).  It is in fact my civic pride that makes me wonder about the nature of development in this town.

It may surprise you to know that I actually agree with much of what you say in &lt;a href=&quot;http://thewrongblogmainpage.blogspot.com/2005/04/back-again.html&quot;&gt;this post.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chad, I appreciate your comments, but I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;ve gotten the gist of my argument.  First, your &#8220;one hand/other hand&#8221; statement is entirely consistent.  Both hands know what they are doing.</p>
<p>Second, my last paragraph indicates that I am not straight-out opposed to these towers, only ambivalent.  I&#8217;m concerned because of the &#8220;exclusive&#8221; nature of tower developments, but, as you can see, I am &#8220;intrigued&#8221; and would even consider buying in to such a development.  I am also simply wondering aloud if the market can stand such developments or, as Carl suggests, if Sacramento would be better served by high-density developments on a somewhat smaller scale.</p>
<p>Finally, I grew up in Sacramento (in Midtown, not the &#8216;burbs) and, like many, couldn&#8217;t wait to leave.  I lived in Portland, Oregon for fifteen years but always felt homesick.  <em>I made a conscious decision to return,</em> because I love it here (earning no end of derision from many of my childhood friends).  Don&#8217;t accuse me of not having civic pride just because I don&#8217;t want Sacramento to be like Manhattan (or San Francisco, for that matter).  It is in fact my civic pride that makes me wonder about the nature of development in this town.</p>
<p>It may surprise you to know that I actually agree with much of what you say in <a href="http://thewrongblogmainpage.blogspot.com/2005/04/back-again.html">this post.</a></p>
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